Yes. Yeeeeeeeeees. Yes. The answer to this is yes copied-and-pasted a thousand times.
The reason for this is probably twofold.
A) People obsessed with shipping are sexually frustrated. A large portion of them are in their teens and early twenties, and hey, they like anime and video games and stuff: they’re probably not social butterflies. They may not be getting that itch scratched, (“single player” only accomplishes so much,) and here’s this entire community based around parading their favorite characters’ sexualities as “media criticism” whether it matters or not. Talking about fictional characters’ naughty bits makes them feel smart and adult and turns them on all at the same time! Win-win!
B) People obsessed with shipping have found a place to belong in the above, established group of people obsessed with shipping. They have friends who talk about shipping all day, so they talk about shipping all day, and they belong! This forms a large portion of pretty much every fandom, it’s a universal sort of thing.
But as much as it’s bound to piss off the ~shipping community~ or whatever, I think we can all agree that you’d care less about the frankly boring conceit of which fictional character is mashing their privates against those of another fictional character if you were actualizing that fascination against some actual privates and releasing that tension.
It’d be funny if it didn’t get in the way of actual media discussion so damn hard. And sometimes even media *creation!* It absolutely ruined Avatar: The Last Airbender. Killed it. The romance in that show near the end is garbage, and 90% of Korra’s content on the whole is garbage, largely because of the creators feeding on their community’s obsession with shipping. Not speculation on my part, this is stuff they actually said in the interviews on the special features of Avatar. And that sucks.
Whoa there. Hold the phone. First off I was shipping last night WHILE GETTING LAID. So while I am in my very late 20’s, the other half of last nights fun is in their 30’s and enjoying all of last nights activities with me.
You know the (arguably) first ship was Kirk/Spock (Its so big I even studied it in a media class in college. It might not have been the ‘first’ but it was the first main stream). So that means there are a hell of a lot of shippers out there from the last 60’s which means, their probably your parents age, shipping longer then you’ve been alive (ok I don’t know your age, but from your post i’d gather your in the same age group that you call out).
I think your missing a lot of points and I want to bring them to you attention. First off I am not alone on the shipping and being married. Its not hard to find people in the community of shippers who are married, in a very committed (and happy sexually) relationship. I could tag (at least) 4 friends on here (not including my own) who fall into this category. Yes I have some friends who are not in a relationship but that, in no way means they are sexually frustrated.
what about the asexual shippers out there? yes they are out there, and again not hard to find. I can point out at least 3 of them. They like shipping, its great, but that does not mean its about sex.
Shipping is about the relationSHIP not just sex. Some people go over the top with the sex, yes. But most of shipping is thinking about how they would react to things together. they house they will buy, what kind of decor they want. Who wakes up first and makes breakfast? who’s the good cook? Would they have kids? their own or adopt?
No shippers don’t care more about the sex (most of the time) ok yes the crack pairings is sometimes about hot sex, I cannot deny that but that’s to them. that’s why its crack, it has no rhyme or reason.
I think shippers would have a better grasp on things actually. they read between the lines, look at the subtext. you have shows like Teen Wolf where two people -WOULD- be together if one of the producers did say in a few interviews that it would ‘kill the show because it always does when couples finally get together’. There is something about reading into looks that one gives another, body language all of those cues that are non verbal.
I think you need to get out there and learn more about how different and many shippers are actually in the world.
I think pretty much all my friends who enjoy a shipping aspect of media entertainment are married, in a committed relationship or are otherwise sexually active - and all content in their sex lives XD
Fandoms and shipping are about interactive escapism - everyone watches TV or movies, or read books, to shut out the world for a little while, to relax and unwind and let it all go for an hour or two. Some people are content to let someone else take the wheel and mould the experience, and others are far happier taking the building blocks and creating something with it themselves.
One is no more legitimate than the other, or indicative of any type of lack in their life. They do it because they enjoy it.
I mean, I’ve never heard someone say that people who engage in contact sports do it because they need to inflict physical violence, or that people who paint from their imagination do it because they have a narcissistic god complex. Why? Because it’s ridiculous!
People do the things they enjoy because they enjoy it - it’s as simple as that. Trying to project “they’re all lonely people who need to get laid” onto it says far more about you than anything else.
… There’s also the fact some people (read: myself for example) shipped way before they even knew what shipping was. While they were VERY young children, with no way of knowing what sex even WAS.
I can assure you, 4/6 year old lil me was not so much thinking about all the above as she was thinking about how cute those two characters were acting, or how funny and how much I loved them when they were on scene together, etc.
So no. This is bullshit. Absolute bullshit. I do enjoy some of the the more lascivious fics, but 90% of the time, I’m way more happy with a VERY long fic where you have nothing at all but actual development, awkwardness, fluff, etc, until the very last chapter. I find that fics that ‘get to it’ early on make me lose complete interest in them.
I like the journey. Getting from point A to point B, and how many different ways there are. The reactions, feelings, what the fuck are they thinking, etc.
It really makes me frown when people look down on shipping. It’s like everything; if you take it overboard, it’s bad, but in moderate doses, it’s perfectly fine.
You’ll find that if you eat too much chocolate, it’ll make you sick, but in moderate doses, it’s fine. Same with every little other pleasure in life.
Moderation is key. And don’t try to shove your own pleasures, ideas and notions down others’ throats; then you’ll be fine.
literally this is the extent of what you’re talking about. You want to puff it up into this big intellectually and emotionally complex thing but it really is just getting super excited that two characters in a TV show you like might ~secretly want to kiss~
Just call it like it is, holy shit. Also you aren’t “creating” anything, saying “I read Harry Potter and wrote a story about how Harry and Draco ~secretly want to kiss~ I’m using building blocks to create my own thing I’m a creator!” is some Ralph Wiggum shit. Enjoy what you want to enjoy, nobody gives a shit - turning it into this “I’M A CREATIVE GENIUS FOR WRITING SLASHFIC” shit is why people make fun of you and the entire fanfiction community.
That awkward moment when Diablo shows up to your religious protest
This reminds me of an old story I heard from a friend. One year, an anime con was being held the same weekend as a Bible Conference. This dude in an Ifrit costume, stilts and all, gets into the elevator, all hunched over, on his way down to the lobby. Before he could reach the lobby, the elevator stopped on another floor. Two old ladies clutching bibles were about to step on when they see this giant red demon-creature.
And in his deepest voice he says, “Going down?”
They shrieked and ran off to find another elevator.
WHY IS THE LAST ONE THE MOST REALISTIC??
The sexual abuse or near rape is not what offends me, which I think a lot of people misinterpret about my opinion. I’m not offended by that when it’s put on screen. Irreversible, Perfect Blue, heck, Law And Order: SVU deals with it on TV like every fucking week and every single rerun that USA, TNT, and whatever other network it’s on. I wasn’t uncomfortable or offended, I was done, because this show is dumb as dirt.
And I swear to God, if one more person brings up the books…
Let’s get this out of the way. I could not give a less of a fuck about the books. If the books where covered in 24k gold, with the pages covered in Katsushiro Otomo artwork and Jesus Christ, himself, came down from heaven to read the Gospel of Kirito to me, I would still not give a heavenly fuck about the books because I’m talking about the show.
Ok? Adaptations must stand alone from their source material. Have I made that point clear?
So let’s get to the show. And when I say, “show”, I do mean the whole show. Discussing the one episode here isn’t going to cut it because it’s all been a culmination of bullshit leading up to this where I said, “I’m done.”
Consider this my entirely too in-depth review of the whole show, because I’m not going to finish it or ever discuss it on the podcast. This is all you get. Got it?
Once again, ignoring the giant logic holes and conveniences, Kirito and about 10,000 or so people are trapped within Sword Art Online. He’s a loner gamer type who doesn’t socialize very much in the real world apparently, and he carries this into the game. He was a beta player which at first gives him an unfair advantage, but then Kirito after a while it just seems like Kirito is just special…no reason why, he just is. And I’m not talking about his skills in the game, just in general, everyone comments that he’s special…why? There’s nothing about Kirito that is really compelling, and yet women throw themselves at him because…
No, seriously…why? Who the fuck is Kirito? He has almost no personality to speak of. He’s a nice guy who’s good at video games. That’s it. That is Kirito’s entire character. I just summed him up in a sentence. What are his turn on’s, his turn off’s, his dreams, his aspirations, and the show basically says to us, the audience “Who gives a fuck? LOOK AT HIS SWORD SKILLZ. ALL THE GUYS WANT TO BE HIM AND ALL THE GIRLS WANT TO SEX HIM.” So moving on from that, let’s get to the only other character on the show who actually gets developed a bit.
Asuna is yet another girl who falls for Kirito, but she’s his waifu so she’s slightly more special than all the other girls because she’s good at this game and…that’s it. She at first is indifferent to Kirito, then hates Kirito and then falls head over heels in love with Kirito because…Kirito.
Then there’s Yui…you know what, Fuck Yui. She doesn’t even get to take part in this rant.
So Kirito and Asuna develop a relationship in this game…and then we spend several episodes where we stop giving a shit about the game and the mechanics and follow them on their honeymoon. And this is interesting because…
It’s not. It’s really not. These are among the worst episodes in the series where Kirito and Asuna adopt a fake child that becomes the bane of my existence and nothing comes of it.
Then FINALLY, they decide to get the fuck out of this game and fight Seto Kaiba. They fight, Kirito pulls some bullshit move, and Kaiba explains his dream to create Kaiba-land, but fails to explain why he had to let 3,000 people die to it. At this point, I’m repeating myself. Kaiba’s a stupid villain, and Kirito gets out, the end.
OR IS IT!?
This fucking show…I swear…
Part 2 begins…God, I don’t even want to talk about this anymore.
Kirito has apparently gone through his physical therapy rehabilitation (and his sister wants to bang him) while visiting Asuna in the hospital (and his sister wants to bang him) who encounters Suger (and his sister wants to bang him) who is a cartoonishly evil guy (and his sister wants to bang him) and is trying to marry Asuna for control over her father’s company (and his sister wants to bang him) when Kirito suddenly gets a message that shows Asuna (and his sister wants to bang him) locked in some kind of cage that is in another game (and his sister wants to bang him) and so Kirito decides to venture forth (and his sister wants to bang him) to save Asuna in this new game (and his sister wants to bang him) so that she can stop Sugo (and his sister wants to bang him).
Think that’s the basic premise, unless I’m forgetting something that’s really distracting and completely irrelevant to the main plot and serves no other purpose other than to create unneeded drama and to fetishize a taboo.
Oh right, and his sister wants to bang him.
You know what the sad part is. His sister (who, yes, I’m completely aware is actually is his cousin, and that is technically is NOT taboo in Japan) actually has some potential to be an awesome character, but this whole incest plot line rears it’s ugly head in and ruins it every time. The writers are so obsessed with this that it will interrupt story moments for it, so we can have some extra drama.
And where does it end? FUCKING NOWHERE! She confesses to him, nothing changes, they move the fuck on like nothing happened. God, it’s like I’m watching the Twilight movies. SHE’S GONNA END UP WITH THE VAMPIRE BECAUSE SHE SAYS IT EVERY TIME. But noooooo, we have to have this pointless drama because the game world that kills people or the rehabilitation of a world effected by the deaths of 3,000 people isn’t enough drama.
I’m going to apologize right now if my writing starts becoming more and more like I sound like I’m yelling, but at this point discussing this makes me infuriated.
Let’s talk about the villains on the show. Kaiba is a game designer who wanted to create…something…and then he locked 10,000 people away in a game and somehow got away with genocide. His motivations for that were…again, no idea. He doesn’t even know. And he gets away with it. Because…
Fuck this show.
So the next villain is Suger…Sugoku, Sudoku…? *looks him up* SUGOU. That fucker. Anyways, so this villain comes the fuck out of nowhere (because the genocidal maniac wasn’t evil enough?) to buy the game and marry into Asuna’s family to…do something, it doesn’t matter. Sugou is so cartoonishly and publicly evil in front of people who could actually do something to stop his evil plan that I don’t buy it for a second. He’s so over the top that he just seems like unreal. If you’re going to make a villain so crazy over the top insane, that he makes the Joker look sane, he can’t also be a business man. People would have fuckin’ noticed that shit. I’m not saying that business men can’t be insane villains, on the contrary, they sometimes are the best disguise. Sugou, however, wears his insanity on his sleeve in front of people, and this is why I do not believe this guy. He doesn’t have conversations in private that our heroes over hear, HE FUCKING TELLS THEM HIS PLAN, like a James Bond villain. But even James Bond villains wait until the 3rd act to reveal everything, he does it in the first episode he shows up in.
The show is trying so hard to make me hate this villain, making him the most repugnant human being possible, but what it’s actually doing is just making him unrealistic and it makes me take this show less seriously.
Which I guess brings us to probably the main part of this question. The sexual aspects of this show are outrageous. It can not keep it in it’s pants for like 5 minutes. Between the women who throw themselves as Kirito and the multiple threats of rape, each more closer to actual rape than the last, I can not take a show that mistreats women in a such away.
This isn’t some feminist stance, or some “boohoo,” cry that women are in need of protection bullshit. It’s not. It’s this objectification of sexual assault as weapon like a gun, or a sword. It’s not that. There’s more to sexual assault that in some ways can be more dangerous than guns or swords. There’s a different type of trauma that few get over, because there’s severe mental trauma that can come from the weaponization of an act that is supposed to imitate. There’s something about sex that is terrifying and wonderful, but it’s so easy to remove the wonder from it that the consequences need to match.
This show doesn’t understand that, because it would rather entice you with fanservice. I’m not talking about Asuna being stripped in this episode. I’m talking about Kirito being pinned to the floor. See, there’s this definition of fanservice that automatically means sexualization or nudity in some way but that’s not completely correct.
Remember earlier, when I was talking about how Kirito didn’t really have a character? That he’s really bland and there’s not much to him. He’s a bit of a blank slate. That’s because this show is made for teenagers who wish they could be heroes and studs like Kirito. Kirito is the character you, the viewer, is supposed to project themselves onto. You want to believe that you would make the same choices as Kirito and you want to believe that you would be as popular as Kirito is. That is the entire point of this show.
Now, I did not see the end of the episode, because I really did turn off the TV, but let me guess what happened:
Kirito broke free somehow, and saved Asuna from Suger.
You THINK they did it that way because, well, Kirito, or hell any compassionate human being would try to stop a rape, right? That isn’t why. It’s because she is YOUR waifu and YOU’RE the hero of this story, and hurrah, Fantasy achieved!
And I bet Asuna was fine, and probably went off to live with Kirito happily ever after, the end. The thing is though, even victims of ATTEMPTED sexual assault have nightmares, have trauma and usually end up needing a shoulder to lean on. Unless Asuna goes to see a therapist or Kirito is genuinely there for her (not some wishy-washy one liner that puts the issue to bed) in the next episode, then this clearly had no business ever dealing out those threats.
FUCKING RICK AND MORTY HANDLED ATTEMPTED SEXUAL ASSAULT BETTER THAN THIS SHOW.
I’m sick and tired of people throwing in my face that Asuna wasn’t actually rapped, thinking that I’m offended at the concept of rape being portrayed onscreen. Whether she was or wasn’t raped, isn’t the issue. It’s that they used it for wish-fulfillment fantasy bullshit so that the teenage boys can feel like heroes without any empathy for the victims.
Go to hell, Sword Art Online.
TL;DR: This show sucks.
Good more reason to like the show
I feel like I’m dead on Tumblr gahhh…
Welcome! This is the semi-official tumblr for the upcoming Discotek Media-Eastern Star release of Lupin the Third: The Castle of Cagliostro. In our blog, we want to talk about some of our discoveries, some of our thoughts, and maybe even some sneak peeks at the sorts of extras we have in mind for this release. Please keep in mind: we don’t yet know what we’ll be allowed to include exactly, so just because we mention something on here does not mean it will be included on the discs.
Now, some of you might be wondering, “What Discotek/Eastern Star release are you talking about?” Just over a week ago, Discotek announced that Castle of Cagliostro will be rereleased in North America on DVD (ETA: August 2014) and for the first time on Blu-ray Disc (late 2014/early 2015).
That all said, these features are tentatively confirmed:
- Streamline Pictures English Dub (ca. 1992, Mono)
- Manga Entertainment US English Dub (ca. 2000, 5.1 Surround)
- Original Japanese Audio (1979. Mono)
- English subtitles of the Japanese script
- The film’s original, animated opening credits sequence.
- Audio commentary by Reed Nelson
Everything else remains undetermined, but we’ll try to be as open about our findings as we can here. So be sure to come back and revisit us often! You can find us here at castleofcagliostro.tumblr.com, or even easier, CastleofCagliostro.com will bring you right to us! It’s your pick.
—Reed and Brady